<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Thank you, Thomas, for your kind remarks. As you can see, my last post (which I wrote before reading yours) picks up directly on the points you mention. (We obviously sent our posts at around the same time.)</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On 24-Mar-09, at 3:31 PM, Thomas Noll wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> An exciting new book, edited by Pieter Bergé entitled "Musical Form, Forms, Formenlehre" (2009, Leuven University Press) with lectures, comments and responses by William Caplin, James Hepokoski and James Webster contains a contribution by William Caplin, presented in the Formenlehre-session at the Euro-MAC 2007 in Freiburg. There we find tree structures with two kinds of labels, namely temporal functions and formal functions. It is the labeling with temporal functions (before-the-beginning, beginning, middle, end, after-the-end), where recursion becomes manifest. <div>I'm grateful to my colleague Karst de Jong, who lent me his copy this morning. What I took for a vague and undigested idea of mine in my posting of yesterday is actually a sediment of memory from William Caplin's inspiring lecture, where the well-digested idea was supported by good arguments and examples. I apologize if I caused wrong déjà-vu experiences or discomfort with my weakness of memory.</div><div>Sincerely</div><div>Thomas Noll </div><div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; ">technically the (not yet digested) idea would - at first sight - lead to derivation trees with labels "presentation", "continuation", "cadence" (and some more) for non-terminals and concrete units from the score for terminals.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div>*********************************************************</div><div>Thomas Noll</div><div><a href="http://flp.cs.tu-berlin.de/~noll">http://flp.cs.tu-berlin.de/~noll</a></div><div><a href="mailto:noll@cs.tu-berlin.de">noll@cs.tu-berlin.de</a></div><div>Escola Superior de Musica de Catalunya, Barcelona </div><div>Departament de Teoria i Composició </div><div>Tel (priv.): +34 93 268 75 19</div><div>Tel (mobil): +34 66 368 12 02</div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>*********************************************************</div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div><br><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span> </div><br></div></div> _______________________________________________<br>Smt-talk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Smt-talk@societymusictheory.org">Smt-talk@societymusictheory.org</a><br>http://lists.societymusictheory.org/listinfo.cgi/smt-talk-societymusictheory.org<br></blockquote></div><br><div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">_____________________________</div><div>William E. Caplin</div><div>James McGill Professor of Music Theory</div><div><br></div><div>Schulich School of Music</div><div>McGill University</div><div>555 Sherbrooke Street West</div><div>Montreal, Quebec</div><div>Canada H3A 1E3</div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>office: (514) 398-4535 x00279</div><div>home: (514) 488-3270</div><div><br></div></div></body></html>