Thanks Ildar <br>very interesting.<br><br>I just want to point out that Fyodor seems likely as critical of what you call the "refined stance" as you are. <br>He just explained to my why it is still so dominant - and the political forces at play in maintaining this situation.<br>
And he certainly never even suggested that relevant musicology happens only at Moscow and St. Petersburg. <br>I am sorry if my rendering of our very interesting conversation somehow suggested that to you. <br>He explicitly referred me to a festival in Kazan and research done in Novosibirsk. <br>
I just will have to learn Russian first to even read the texts this in this field... or would I ? <br>Do you, being out of the country, know of anything that is translated into German, English, Italian or French ?<br><br>
Is e.g. your journal "Music Scholarship/Problemy Muzykal;noi Nauki" published in Russian and English (as your title suggests) ?<br>And could you perhaps even give me names of interesting composers in these centres (and how to get their music ?) ?<br>
<br>Best <br>Sandeep<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/4/24 Ildar Khannanov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:solfeggio7@yahoo.com">solfeggio7@yahoo.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div>the comment by Fyodor, my schoolmate, is interesting. However, there is a different side to this story. In addition to a very refined, and I would say, elitist approach to musicology, maintained by some figures at the Moscow Conservatory, there have been dozens of other institutions of higher musical education in the USSR with their local traditions in musicology. The level at these schools was somewhat lower than the the MGK, but there were talented composers and musicologists in Novosibirsk, Petrozavodsk, Dushanbe, Ufa, and other places. The journal Music Scholarship/Problemy Muzykal;noi Nauki which I edit is the first one published by 12 provincial conservatories. So, the view of Russian musicology as only developing in Moscow and Lenindgrad and oriented toward the West and western modernism is not very adequate. There were hundreds of large-scale compositions written for dutar, kurai and other national instruments, and many interesting
musicological dissertations on intercultural topics. They were habitually underestimated, but now, in the recent decade, there has been a rise of the local traditions. Something new for a change. </div>
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Subject: Re: [Smt-talk] Theory of "Intercultural" Composition<br>To: "smt-talk Talk" <<a href="mailto:smt-talk@societymusictheory.org" target="_blank">smt-talk@societymusictheory.org</a>><br>Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 11:59 AM<div>
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<div>Dear all who have answered on and offline - what an overwhelming and positive response.<br><br>And there were indeed some suggestions about books that I did not know existed.<br>As one respondent suggested, I will share my reading list either with the smttalklist, <br>
or, if that is against the list netiquette, I would post them on my academia profile. <br>(<a href="http://concordia.academia.edu/SandeepBhagwati" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://concordia.academia.edu/SandeepBhagwati</a>).<br>
<br>Thank you all again, and those who have sent me personal mails - I will respond asap.<br><br>One nugget of information: <br>I am on tour in Russia right now, and in discussions about this suject (and composers like Faradzh Karaev or Franghis Ali-Zadeh etc.) with musicologist Fjodor Sofronov from Tchaikovsky Conservatorium Moscow he explained to me that Soviet and Russian musicology have major problems dealing with any form of
interculturalism in contemporary composition, because interest in new music is perceived as being equivalent with a liberal attitude that is pro-western - already a difficult position in an increasingly nationalist intellectual environment. To compound that with the, as he said, "official, but unfulfilled" multiculturalism of Russia, also a hot seat issue, would be too much to take on - and so Russian musicology, despite the fact that it got off to a good start with Asafiev's Intonation theory, did not look at this subject much over the past 80 years. Does any one have any corrections or comments to this statement ? Does anyone know of important Russian theories of multicultural composition...?<br>
<br>Best yours<br>Sandeep<br><br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Collective Wisdom<br><br>could you help me with references to any (comprehensive / seminal / detailed) (theoretical/ aesthetical/ analytical/ overview) publications in English or French<br>
about contemporary (trans-/cross-/inter-/poly-/cultural) composition that one must not be unaware of if thinking about the subject...<br><br>I mean western art music composers such as Tan Dun, Frank Denyer, Takahashi Yuji, Isang Yun, Liza Lim, Samir Odeh-Tamimi, Jean-Claude Eloy, Mochizuki Misato , Hosokawa Toshio, Guo Wenjing, Xu Shuya, Jin Hi Kim, Chen Xiaoyong, Younghi-Pagh Paan, Claude Vivier, Klaus Huber, Karlheinz Stockhausen, etc. - a wide selection but I hope you get the drift.<br>
Publications after 2000 are preferred.<br><br>I will give some lectures and analysis seminars this summer, and I already have a small reading list, but as I
am not a theoretician myself, and not really well versed in the anglophone discourse (being more of German extraction) I may have overlooked some essential reading.<br><br>Thankful for any hint. Names of composer you consider seminal and who do not appear in the list above are also welcome, if possible with contacts or publishers.<br>
<br>Best <br>Sandeep Bhagwati<br>Composer<br>Canada Research Chair Inter-X Art<br>Concordia University Montreal<br><br><br><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br></div><br></div></div>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<div class="im">
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