Thank you Yosef for the reply!<br><br>I was speaking in terms of students and how they act today - I am very
aware of where I can get top-end results on research. I use Grove very
often.<br><br>As a TA, I taught college freshmen last year and I had several run-ins
with "well Wikipedia said..." The fact is - students get information
from there whether or not we tell them too. In the mind of the student - if I'm off campus, it is a pain to get onto
the VPN or proxy so I can search something up through the library website. I'm not sure how many clicks that takes on each school's website, but to our streamlining youth, they'll tend to go with the path of least resistance, which is probably Wikipedia. <br>
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Regardless, we should be maintaining Wikipedia pages, to some degree, for
all who aren't affiliated with academic institutions and want to find
more. There are plenty of people in the world who could benefit from an
article on Wikipedia and stimulate their own interest. These articles will never
be at the level of a Grove entry. Drabkin's entry in Grove is a great resource that we can trust for a detailed explanation of prolongation. <br><br>At the same time, Grove fails us sometimes where in articles just like prolongation, we have no bibliography or references section to learn more. Yet, I go to the Wikipedia page, and the reference section brings my attention to Salzer's "Structural Hearing", Salzer and Schachter's "Counterpoint in Composition", Drabkin's article on Schenker in the Cambridge Companion to Western Music, etc. But - it also cites Straus' "The Problem of Prolongation in Post-Tonal Music." No where in the Grove article did it mention anything about issues with prolongation in post-tonal music - and having read this article in congruence with a lecture dealing with Schenkerian analysis, it certainly is a resource I think is worthy of at least linking to the article. Nevertheless, the Wikipedia page ignores Larson's response to that article "The Problem of Prolongation in Tonal Music: Terminology, Perception, and Expressive Meaning" which I think would enhance the article.<br>
<br>...And I'm sure there are tens to hundreds more articles that deal with the issue of prolongation in music. We have this incredible resource (the Internet) at our hands to help us link articles we think are relevant and important to specific issues in our field. While I currently don't mind perusing through thousands of articles and books through databases like RILM and WorldCat, searching different keywords just to make sure I don't overlook a potential source, we have the ability to organize a reference list for major topics. In a utopian world, we could compile lists like David Carson Berry did with his "A Topical Guide to Schenkerian Literature: An Annotated Bibliography with Indices" and keep it up to date. <br>
<br>It's not about making Wikipedia our new Grove - it's about utilizing Wikipedia for its strengths. We can direct our students to, rather an avoid Wikipedia, learn how Wikipedia could be a "tool" to help jump start their research. Between that, access to non-academic affiliated people, and the ability to update Wikipedia instantly, it should be a resource we should utilize. <br>
<br>At this point, I will bow out of this discussion. I only intended to first shed light on the situation from a current student's perspective. I hope I have succeeded at this point.<br><br>Happy analyzing!<br><br>-- <br>
<div><b>Devin Chaloux</b></div>
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<div><font size="1">M.M. in Music Theory '12</font></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/8/1 יוסי גולדנברג Yosef Goldenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:geyeni@netvision.net.il">geyeni@netvision.net.il</a>></span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Online sources are great
and convenient. But if you are affiliated to an academic institution, you
probably have access to the electronic Grove. Two more clicks, and you have the
William Drabkin authoritative entry on "prolongation". <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">There are also free sites
that are at least semi-authoritative [like the Tom Pankhurst Schenker website].
For fundamentals, there is Ricci Adams' </span></font><a href="http://www.musictheory.net/" target="_blank">http://www.musictheory.net/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Some libraries have
authoritative portals, e.g. </span></font><a href="http://hcl.harvard.edu/research/guides/biblio/onmusic/hclweb" target="_blank">http://hcl.harvard.edu/research/guides/biblio/onmusic/hclweb</a>
[Online sources for music scholars /Harvard], although I am not aware of a good
portal for music theory [perhaps the SMT should have one?]<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">In short, good accessible sources that circumvent Wikipedia
and are not open for free editing might be a more professional solution than.trying
to make Wikipedia what it is not.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" dir="LTR"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Yossi Goldenberg<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<a href="mailto:smt-talk-bounces@lists.societymusictheory.org" target="_blank">smt-talk-bounces@lists.societymusictheory.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:smt-talk-bounces@lists.societymusictheory.org" target="_blank">smt-talk-bounces@lists.societymusictheory.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Devin Chaloux<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 01, 2011
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Smt-talk] Wiki</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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However, as a student myself, I feel like I need to address the issue from the
other side of the table. If I'm on my laptop and there is a concept that I
might want to find out more about - maybe because the discussion in the source
I'm currently invested in does not do the appropriate job or I'm in an article
that is above my level of understanding - I'm going to type that term in my
search bar on my browser. Try it yourself, Google/Yahoo/Bing "Prolongation
music" (because with some terms, it's necessary to distinguish music
versus another common term) - and bam! - that blasted Wikipedia page is the
very first entry! <br>
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