<html><head><base href="x-msg://341/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Christian,</div><div>In addition to what Myke mentioned, developing analytical software forces analysts to codify their expertise and intuition very specifically. Doing so has numerous benefits. For one, it can reveal holes in one's theories, leading to the production of a more refined, robust understanding of the music in question as algorithms are tweaked to better match the results of analyses by "experts." It also can lead to the theorist/analyst becoming a better teacher, as the medium requires a specific and methodical laying out of the theory and its application. That doesn't always carry over to college freshmen, but it can.</div><div><br></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; ">Kris Shaffer, Ph.D.<br>Assistant Professor of Music Theory<br>Charleston Southern University<br><a href="http://kris.shaffermusic.com">http://kris.shaffermusic.com</a><br>twitter: @krisshaffer<br><br><br></span></div>
<br><div><div>On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Michael Scott Cuthbert wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Dear Christian,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The output of programs to automatically analyze pieces are usually far less important than the class of questions that having large, searchable repertories of analyzed pieces opens up. So for instance one could ask “Does V43 move to I or I6 more often during the period 1700-1900 and how does the distribution of resolutions change according to time period, region, and/or composer?” If the software is more trustworthy then you can ask rather finely grained questions; if the software is less accurate then you can probably still find things like whether the relative frequency of a common chord differs significantly between one area and another.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">One thing that the work of De Clercq and Temperley show for me is that there’s a limit to the accuracy of any system, somewhere around 95% -- beyond that even trained professionals will disagree about the labeling (even taking into account orthography differences such as I64 vs V64) of chords; going above 95% most likely means that the system has learned to mimic one analyst’s labels, not that it’s getting the “true” label for any given chord.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Christian Goursaud [mailto:christian.goursaud@gmail.com]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, February 24, 2012 17:24<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Michael Scott Cuthbert<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>smt smt-talk<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Smt-talk] RN analyzers<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I would be interested to hear what are the proposed goals of the development of such software, beyond the obvious technical challenges posed to developers. What would be the ultimate utility of software which could mimic conventional human translation of music-notational data to roman-numeric functional analysis?<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Best,<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Christian<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">--<br>Christian Goursaud<br>PhD candidate, Birmingham Conservatoire<br>+44 (0)7796033585<br><a href="mailto:christian.goursaud@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">christian.goursaud@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div>_______________________________________________<br>Smt-talk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Smt-talk@lists.societymusictheory.org">Smt-talk@lists.societymusictheory.org</a><br>http://lists.societymusictheory.org/listinfo.cgi/smt-talk-societymusictheory.org</div></span></blockquote></div><br></body></html>