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<font face="Calibri">On the one hand, I am obviously extremely aware
of the problem of translations. On the other hand, I don't think
that this problem really can be solved merely by translations: it
involves a (re)definition of the concepts themselves.<br>
Labeling chords is but one aspect of the problem and the
concepts behind the labels are at leas as important. Labeling a
chord "IV", for instance, </font><font face="Calibri">really </font><font
face="Calibri">is </font><font face="Calibri">not the same thing
as labeling it "S", as recent discussions here have made clear.
And whether "II" is "Sp" or "S" is a complex decision: Dahlhaus
wrote about that, namely whether in Riemann's functional theory
one given degree (of seven) could be considered the main
representative of one given function (of three). In other words,
there is no essential reason (in Riemann) to consider that II is
but a subsidiary representative of IV and of the S function.<br>
Following a suggestion made here some months ago, I recently
participated in the rewriting of a first Wikipedia article about
Schenkerian theory, "Prolongation", where I claimed that the
modern American use of the term did not exactly match Schenker's
own conception (see
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolongation#Prolongation_in_Heinrich_Schenker">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolongation#Prolongation_in_Heinrich_Schenker</a>).
I soon realized, however, that this made the further development
of the article more difficult, if only because the very title of
the article, "Prolongation", was meant in the modern American
usage (see also the commentaries to this article,
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Prolongation">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Prolongation</a>). This is not an
insuperable problem, but it is a complex one and I fear that it
cooled down the suggestion, right in itself, that our community
should get involved with Wikipedia articles about music theory.<br>
In a way, such terminological discussions are easier starting
from French, in the case of Schenkerian terminology at least,
because the French usage is less formally established. I recently
began a discussion of Schekerian terminology on my Schenker blog,
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://heinrichschenker.wordpress.com/category/terminologie/">http://heinrichschenker.wordpress.com/category/terminologie/</a>, and
I'd very much like to invite criticism (or other contributions)
there, also in English. Such a blog makes sense only if it is
written by more than one person – what, in this particular case,
proves not so easy in French today. The blog still is at an early
stage and remains very open to critical discussions; and French is
not such a difficult language to read, especially if you answer in
English!<br>
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[May I add that the domain wikia.com, suggested by David for his
Music Theory Translation Wiki, seems to me unduly plagued by
unwanted commercial announcements and other Internet spams. There
are enough other offers on the web to avoid that! Also, contrarily
to Wikipedia, it does not seem to offer space for comments without
modifying the existing articles, which does not seem very
satisfying.] <br>
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</font>Nicolas Meeùs<br>
Université Paris-Sorbonne<br>
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Le 6/05/2012 15:09, David Code a écrit :
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about the viability of a Music Theory Translation Wiki; a kind
of translation project for music theory symbols, terms, and
concepts. </div>
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padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; ">This would be
especially helpful for international students studying at
music schools in another country. Every year at my school, we
have international students with strong theory backgrounds who
score poorly on entrance exams and/or struggle in their first
semester of course work because of unfamiliarity with the
labels we use. It is not just a matter of different spoken
languages (e.g., English, French, Korean, etc.), but different
musical systems. There are, for example, dozens of different
notational systems used for labeling specific types of musical
chords used by different composers, music schools and text
books. </div>
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padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; ">The articles in
this wiki would typically feature an image of a musical
example representing a specific topic (e.g., chromatic
harmony, rhythmic syllables). Below this contributors would
add the notational symbol(s) they use to describe these
features and the name of their institution. Subsequent
contributors would add their institutions name to an existing
section if they use the same notation or create a new section
if needed. Contributors from non-English countries would be
encouraged to add commentary in their native language. </div>
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<div>David Loberg Code</div>
<div>School of Music</div>
<div>Western Michigan University</div>
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