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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><font face="Times New Roman"><font face="Times New Roman">Dear Colleagues,</font><BR> <BR><font face="Times New Roman">I don't know who can claim priority for the use of the terms <em>Narrative</em> and <em>Lyrical</em>, but I know that Carol Berger uses "Narrative Form" and "Lyrical Form" in his analyses of the Ballades of Chopin. See:</font><BR><font face="Times New Roman">"Chopin's Ballade Op. 23 and the Revolution of the Intellectuals", in <em>Chopin Studies 2</em>, edited by John Rinck and Jim Samson. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1994, pp. 72-84.</font><BR><font face="Times New Roman">"The Form of Chopin's Ballade Op. 23" in<em> 19th-Century Music</em>, vol. 20, no. 1 (Summer 1996), pp. 46-71.</font><BR><font face="Times New Roman">Hope that this is useful.</font><br><br><font face="Verdana"><em>Paul Cadrin</em><br><em>Musicologue sans frontières</em></font><br><font face="Verdana"><em>1475 avenue Desjardins, app. 2<br>Montréal (Québec) Canada H1V 2G5</em></font><br><em><font face="Verdana">438-381-5048</font></em><br id="FontBreak"></font><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:48:29 -0400<br>From: mklein01@temple.edu<br>To: adriponce@yahoo.com<br>CC: smt-talk@lists.societymusictheory.org<br>Subject: Re: [Smt-talk] Inquiry<br><br><BR><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Dear Colleagues,<br><br></div>In response to Adriana's question about lyric and narrative time:<br><br></div>Raymond Monelle introduced these particular terms in his book <i>The Sense of Music</i>. However, I would say that similar ideas about types of musical time go back much further. Jonathan Kramer's <i>The Time of Music</i> is a good place to look, although (as Monelle argues), Kramer often confuses the time of the signifier with the time of the signified. Monelle's book will certainly have a number of sources concerning musical temporality (time as meant). <br>
<br></div>Then there's some hack (Michael Klein) who wrote about lyric and narrative time in Chopin, but you can't trust that guy.<br><br></div>All Best,<br><br></div>Michael<br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br>
<br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Adriana Ponce <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adriponce@yahoo.com" target="_blank">adriponce@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class="ecxgmail_quote">
<div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div>Dear collective wisdom,</div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">
Would anybody be so kind as to point me in the direction of the origins of the term lyrical and narrative time in music?</div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">
Thanks very much in advance,</div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">Adriana Ponce</div><span class="ecxHOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>
<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">Adriana Ponce</div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">
Assistant Professor</div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">Illinois Wesleyan University</div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">
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