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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Drawn in by Charles' references to
      "humour" and "loony" (Buffalo is close to the promised land, after
      all), but mindful of the perils of email ( what I call the
      "Alanis" conundrum), and hoping that my past utterances provide
      some protection, I offer the following:<br>
      <br>
      1.  Olii -- a little over-the-top (I have experience here . . . ),
      apologize and move on<br>
      2.  Greg -- respectfully, get over it --  <br>
      3.  Charles -- you are our Gandolf (scary thought!) -- the
      "thousands of years ago" ref is priceless -- kids, read the lit,
      "It's all been done before" (I've said this already!)<br>
      4.  Romans -- please take your numerals back -- your time has come
      and gone --<br>
      5.  Colleagues -- read Wallace Berry before using the word
      "function" - esp. ch2 (my favorite! - harmony = texture)<br>
      <br>
      Dave Headlam<br>
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      On 4/22/13 3:09 PM, Charles J. Smith wrote:<br>
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      In the recent Proctor/Väisälä exchange, we see the perils of
      trying to have real discussions about serious and important topics
      by list-serv. Perhaps this is a medium that has outlived its
      usefulness? It certainly is a pale shadow of what it was a decade
      or so ago, but that version (SMT Listserv 1.0?) was in some ways
      even more irritating. So did it ever have any usefulness? Well,
      not a whole lot perhaps, but there have fairly regularly been
      posts (a couple every month) that I print up and file, as
      something worth thinking about. They are usually the postings
      about particular configurations in particular pieces, but that
      might just be my particular take on things. It might be
      interesting to find out how many of the younger generation of
      self-described music theorists are subscribed; my sense is that
      the numbers are dwindling, for a variety of reasons.<br>
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      <div>This last exchange puzzles me, however. I know Olii slightly
        (we shared a ferry ride from Talinn to Helsinki a few years
        ago); he reminded me that we had had a listserv run-in quite a
        while back, so I dug up and reread those posts and it was indeed
        an interesting disagreement about what counts as a "chordal"
        sonority in chromatic music. He is a smart guy and had a point;
        he didn't make me mad with his disagreement, and I hope I didn't
        enrage him either. Perhaps we both learned something from the
        exchange? What's the old saying?—I learn more from listening
        than from talking...</div>
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      <div>Gregory is, as most of know (or should know) is one of the
        deepest thinkers about music out there. Someone whose every
        utterance is worth careful scrutiny, no matter how loony it
        might sound on the surface, if only because of all the brilliant
        things he has already said, in so many contexts on so many
        different subjects. So if he states that "inversion is overrated
        in classical music", I  am intrigued to try to figure out what
        he meant. It is a statement that opens some interesting doors,
        at least for me.</div>
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      <div>My own theoretical and pedagogical inclinations have of late
        been to mistrust Roman numerals (i.e. the whole apparatus of
        roots and inversions) more and more. This is a long story, which
        will soon be presented more fully in some other venue, but tonal
        functionality seems to me to be better captured by describing
        the functions of chords and their bass scale-steps, with
        figured-bass symbols brought in when one needs to know something
        about the particular chord-quality, whether there are sevenths
        that need resolving, and so forth—and RNs hardly at all. (It was
        quite gratifying a few years ago to find out that this approach
        to harmony, in use at Buffalo for years, decades even, was
        independently arrived at by Ian Quinn at Yale—another of those
        thinkers who is always worth a careful listen.) In other words,
        of the three established historical approaches to
        harmony—function theory, thorough bass, and fundamental bass—the
        first two are the more useful, and the third is only brought in
        for relatively minor questions. (...no double meaning
        intended...humour and irony being so treacherous to attempt in
        email...)</div>
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      <div>So I'd be interested in discussing with Gregory a take on his
        remarks that might well be completely opposite from what he
        intended: namely that there is little need to talk about the
        inversions of functional chords because there is little
        theoretical need for the constant reference to chord-roots in
        functional harmony. Put simply, if we don't know or care what
        the root of a chord is, then we can hardly talk about its
        inversion. On the other hand, I'd be hard-pressed to justify the
        jettisoning of figured bass symbols—and this is perhaps what
        Olii was saying. Once we have characterized a chord as, say, a
        Dominant over ^2, the figured bass is essential for
        differentiating between variants of that basic chord-type: a
        6/4, a 6/3, a 6/4/3, and a 6/5/3. They all share a certain basic
        functional behaviour; the differences between them are less
        crucial matters of melodic support and voice-leading.</div>
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      <div>What are roots and RNs useful for? That's another question,
        with somewhat surprising answers, for another time.</div>
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      <div>In the meantime, I recognize that this is a controversial
        approach to functional harmony. If you think the basic approach
        is absurd, well, fine...no need to waste bandwidth sharing your
        opinion. It probably is absurd—Schluss, Amen! enough said. If
        you have a constructive suggestion, I welcome it. And I
        particularly invite Gregory to remain on the list and share his
        thoughts: have I completely missed the point of his remark? Very
        likely...I learned a long time ago that I'm not in his league.
        But the list-serv will be the poorer for his absence, even if
        all he chooses to do is read in silence...</div>
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      <div>Best wishes to all,</div>
      <div>Charles<br>
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            <div>I knew people would choose to miscast my remarks. I
              should know better by now that lists like these have sunk
              bit by bit to the level of comments on political blogs. I
              give up. Goodbye list. <br>
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              Subject: Re: [Smt-talk] ABSENCE OF LEAD SHEET<br>
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              Gregory Proctor wrote:<br>
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              <blockquote type="cite">Since I have been teaching
                graduate students primarily in the past<br>
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              <blockquote type="cite">few years, I find myself using
                lead sheet notation more and more.<br>
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              <blockquote type="cite">It is especially helpful in
                reminding them that what "inversion" a<br>
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              <blockquote type="cite">chord is in is usually
                insignificant compared to its nature (triad,<br>
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              <blockquote type="cite">added sixth, seventh)<br>
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              and<br>
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              <blockquote type="cite">I meant to assert thaqt our
                notation is silly and that inversion is<br>
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              <blockquote type="cite">overrated in classical music.<br>
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              "Inversion is overrated in classical music." What
              interesting<br>
              assertions we encounter in this e-mail list!<br>
              <br>
              Indeed. Just think of all those stupid classical composers
              who<br>
              bothered themselves with those overrated inversions and
              bass lines<br>
              (if the composers of the ludicrous figured-bass tradition
              even<br>
              realized they were writing "inversions"). Just imagine
              what a<br>
              marvellous repertoire they MIGHT have created, if they
              only had had<br>
              the wisdom presented above.<br>
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              Olli Väisälä<br>
              Sibelius Academy<br>
              University of the Arts, Helsinki<br>
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                          <div>Charles J. Smith</div>
                          <div>Slee Chair of Music Theory & Director
                            of Graduate Studies</div>
                          <div>Department of Music, 220 Baird Hall</div>
                          <div>University at Buffalo</div>
                          <div>Buffalo, NY 14260</div>
                          <div>U.S.A.</div>
                          <div>716-645-0639 [academic office]</div>
                          <div>716-645-3824 [fax]</div>
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Dave Headlam
Professor of Music Theory
Eastman School of Music 585-274-1568
Joint Professor of Electrical and Computer
 Engineering    University of Rochester
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