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    Hello all,<br>
    <br>
    I am enjoying reading this thread, and like others, hope that Prof.
    Proctor continues to participate -- I too have benefited from his
    insights. <br>
    <br>
    In light of Charles Smith's latest offering, see also Beethoven's
    Variations in C minor WoO 80, with a 6th above ^6 the bass leading
    to Ger+6 over b^6 in the bass -- in this case a IV6 chord is used to
    harmonize ^6 in the bass, which is indeed preceded by a harmony that
    tonicizes IV with b^7 in the bass. <br>
    <br>
    On a related note, see Purcell's "Dido's Lament" which I suspect has
    been left off this thread due to the admitted absence of an Aug 6th
    chord over b^6. That not withstanding, the voice-leading or harmonic
    approach (pick your preference) from tonic to the harmony over b^6
    (iv6 in Purcell's case) is treated in 6 (at least) different ways
    throughout the piece that resonate closely with what Charles Smith
    has described below (including voice-leading configurations that
    employ both a 6th above ^6 in the bass as well as a 7th above ^6 in
    the bass, as combinations of the two that employ a 7-6 susp over 6^
    in the bass). I will refrain from providing further commentary at
    this time but simply offer this example as further fodder for this
    thread.  I will let others determine whether they accept iv6 as a
    diatonic variant of what might otherwise be an It+6 in Mozart's and
    Beethoven's settings of this specific bass line.<br>
    <br>
    Best,<br>
    John Cuciurean<br>
    Assoc Prof of Music Theory<br>
    Western University<br>
    London, ON, Canada<br>
    <br>
     <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/04/2013 1:46 PM, Charles J. Smith
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:AC7ABD07-52E3-4EE9-8940-993644D58CBC@buffalo.edu"
      type="cite">Eric,
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Here are those examples I promised you a few days ago.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>It's been a useful exercise to go back through these, and I
        think I learned something from the process. There are lots of
        ways to categorize and manage augmented-6th chords—by the mode
        of the passage in which they appear, by the function and bass of
        the harmony from which their approach begins, and so on. At some
        point, however, such a taxonomy will likely yield a category
        containing a number of A6s in minor whose immediately preceding
        bass scale-step is a (major-mode-related) ^6, moving to the b^6
        under the A6. Within this category, there seem to be two basic
        voice-leadings: those in  which the harmony over the ^6 contains
        a 6th, and those in which it contains a 7th. Put another way,
        those in which the #^4 of the A6 is approached from below
        (diatonic 6th) and those in which it is approached from above
        (diatonic 7th). Now, of course, from a larger perspective, the
        "chordal" status of these things can be seriously questioned;
        both the 6-+6 and 7-+6 voice-leadings are part of larger
        unfoldings of more significant harmonies. But whether you think
        of these local things as chords or as voice-leading
        configurations, there is a real difference to be observed here.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>When the A6 is approached by 6-+6 voice-leading, the 6/3
        sonority is often treated as a chord to be tonicized, and thus
        is often preceded by a 1-b7 (or even 1-7-b7) bass.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>When the A6 is approached by 7-+6 voice-leading, tonicization
        isn't an issue; the 7th (^5) is usually sustained from a
        preceding Tonic—which is why a passing v6 (over a b^7 bass) is
        so natural a way of plugging the 1-b^6 bass gap). BTW the same
        passing approach through a v6 often happens with a 7-+6 figure
        embellishing an A6 over an unmoving bass—a situation where it's
        even harder (but not impossible) to hear the 7th as giving rise
        to a separate harmony.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>The real question is how (or whether) to use a fourth
        sounding scale-step over the ^6; if is often omitted, but
        usually the implication is clearly still that of a
        half-diminished sonority (again, whether or not you choose to
        regard it as a "real chord"). Examples with this implicit hd7
        onover ^6:</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Beethoven, Cello Sonata in F (Op. 5/1), Mvt.III (or II,
        depending on how you're counting), mm. 65–66, in F minor,
        approached from Tonic over ^1, via the passing v6 (lots of b^3s
        around in surrounding stuff).</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Beethoven, Coriolan Overture in C minor (Op. 62), mm. 19–20
        (the 7th is very brief, hardly counting as anything more than a
        suspension from the preceding v6, but it does display the same
        7-+6 configuration)</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>When there is an explicit 5th above the ^6, under the 7th, it
        always seems to be b^3. At least I don't have any examples where
        a major-mode-related ^3 is used. (If moving to a b^3-containing
        A6, a ^3 creates a kind of precursor to "Mozart" 5ths, which are
        presumably less desirable than those often-forbidden but
        all-too-common parallels...) Examples after Mozart with both the
        7th (^5) and 5th (b^3) over ^6:</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Schubert, Mass in Eb (D. 950), Credo, mm. 349–351 [the A6th
        doesn't contain a b^3, but instead the tenor passes from the
        preceding b^3 through ^2 and ^1 to the leading-tone of the
        Dominant)]—this passage is quoted as Ex. 478 in the 1901 ed. of
        Prout's 1889 Harmony book and it seems to make him nervous, as
        he cites some secondary functions in G minor, sparking off of
        the passing v6...</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Bruch, Violin Concerto #1 in G minor (Op. 26), Mvt. I,
        leading up to rehearsal letter E [top of page 10 of the Joachim
        violin/piano score, published by Siegel, that is available on
        Petrucci]—no passing v6, however; the passing bass b7 appears
        under the sustained pitches of the G minor Tonic. This passage
        reinforces our sense that the chord over ^6 is a suspension
        sonority by explicitly suspending the 7th further, into the A6
        chord itself.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>So it turns out that none of these passages is exactly like
        the Mozart progression that you requested—the one that Mozart
        seems to have used dozens of times. But they exhibit
        voice-leading and harmonic sensibilities that are remarkably
        close to and no doubt related to Mozart's.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>It is also interesting that the ^6-b^6 bass leading to an A6
        is even more common in major than it is in minor, but I haven't
        found any examples of the 7-+6 voice-leading over those
        bass-scale-steps in major. My first thought was that this could
        have resulted from an avoidance of the precursor-Mozart-5ths
        parallels mentioned above, so the ^6 never has a ^3 over it,
        only a 6th (^4). But that's not true. There are several examples
        of what seems to be a minor triad on ^6 immediately preceding an
        A6 in major, though until the mid-19th century they all downplay
        the ^3. (eg Beethoven Op. 109, Variation Theme, m. 7, or even
        more outrageously, Haydn, Symphony #101, Mvt. IV, m. 19). By
        Chopin, a root-position minor submediant triad seems to have
        become a reasonable approach to an A6 in major (eg Ballade #3,
        mm. 99–101—admittedly with a substantial phrase break between).</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>So why isn't the 7-+6 voice-leading over ^6-to-b^6 used in
        major? I have no idea...</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>(An apparent counter-example appears in Beethoven, Sonata in
        Eb (Op. 7), Mvt. II, mm. 77–78, where a 7-6 suspection does
        appear over a ^6-b^6 bass in major, but the 6th is a diatonic
        6th, ^4—an embellishment of the 6-+6 voice-leading which is very
        common indeed in major...)</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Sorry to have gone on at such length, in such excruciating
        detail. Offered in the spirit of trying to be helpful.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>CS</div>
      <div><br>
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              <div>I did sort of include K. 550 in the same phenomenon
                in my mind -- you're right!<br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
                Fascinating observation, by the way!  I hadn't thought
                of that equivalence with Tristan, but it makes sense as
                a pre-cursor, especially if we eventually accept
                Ger+6/^1 as a dominant substitute (pre-cursor to the
                "tritone sub").  Interestingly, I know of an instructor
                just up I-75 from me at Miami University of Ohio who
                teaches the Tristan chord as a pre-dominant chord
                because it's a "tritone sub for a iiø7".  I can't say I
                agree with that analysis, but I see how he gets there,
                and that seems tangentially related to your
                observation... although his version puts the cart before
                the horse.  <br>
                <br>
                If only Mozart had used that augmented sixth chord as a
                dominant to the Neapolitan at some point -- we would
                have had the Tristan chord in toto, long before Wagner! 
                Ah, well.  :-)<br>
                <br>
              </div>
              <div>Thanks for the reply!<br>
                <br>
                Eric<br>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM,
                Charles J. Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:cjsmith@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">cjsmith@buffalo.edu</a>></span>
                wrote:<br>
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                  <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Eric et al,
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>As a minor point of interest, this is the type
                      of progression that I cited, oh, thousands of
                      years ago now, in "Functional Extravagance" (MTS
                      1986), as one possible conceptual origin of the
                      Tristan chord progression—in that the third and
                      fourth chords in your formulation have some kind
                      of equivalence with the first two "chords" in the
                      Tristan Vorspiel (assuming the G# as chord-tone,
                      of course).</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Whether or not you find that claimed
                      equivalence persuasive, there are lots of examples
                      that I collected over the years, and you're
                      right—a remarkable number of them are by Mozart.
                      But not all.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>My notebooks of examples are at school, and I'm
                      home, so I can't give you the details at the
                      moment, but will be able to tomorrow. (This
                      situation is one reason that we've started the
                      process of digitizing all these collected examples
                      and storing them in the cloud, where at some point
                      they might even be searchable...a process that
                      will probably take at least another thousand years
                      or so...I certainly don't expect to live to see
                      the end of it.)</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>One preliminary question: how wedded are you to
                      the v6 as being exactly the second chord in the
                      succession? If memory serves me well, Mozart has a
                      variety of ways of getting to the
                      half-diminished-7th chord, some over a passing
                      bass, some not. ("Functional Extravagance" quotes
                      a well-known passage from the first movement of
                      Mozart K. 550, which leaps thither directly from a
                      Tonic over b3.) But he did seem inordinately fond
                      of the double Dominant Preparation, first a
                      modally-mixed chord (bass 6 from major, upper
                      voice b3 from minor), followed by an augmented 6th
                      as the bass passes down through b6 to 5. This
                      chord-succession is strange and distinctive
                      enough, no matter how it is approached, that you
                      could justify thinking of it as the essential
                      component, with a variety of approaches being the
                      window-dressing. Whether Mozart invented the
                      progression, I can't say—but whether or not he was
                      the first, others (not least of whom might even be
                      Wagner) then got a lot of further mileage from it.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Cheers,</div>
                    <div>Charles</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>PS One further point to complement the FE
                      observation is the number of times that this
                      Tristan-chord progression appears later in the
                      opera, even in the Vorspiel itself, shoehorned
                      back into a context where both chords are DPs,
                      first over 6, then b6—i.e. followed by a clear
                      Dominant over 5. (See Vorspiel mm. 89–90 in D, and
                      then most tellingly mm. 99–100, in C!) All of
                      these might well serve as "incomplete" examples of
                      the progression you seek, without the Tonic or the
                      passing chord...</div>
                    <div><br>
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                                          <div>Colleagues,<br>
                                            <br>
                                          </div>
                                          Point of curiosity -- those of
                                          you with corpus studies of
                                          Mozart at hand may have a
                                          ready answer to this.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        There is a certain harmonic
                                        progression that seems to pop up
                                        in Mozart's music in minor keys,
                                        and I have yet to find an
                                        example of this exact
                                        progression in any other
                                        composer.  Arguments of
                                        counterpoint vs. harmony aside,
                                        here is the basic idea:<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      i - v6 - #viø7 - +6 - V (or
                                      cadential 6/4)<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    So, in d minor, for instance:<br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  Dm - Am/C - Bø7 - It+6 - A<br>
                                  <br>
                                </div>
                                While I know that chromatic and diatonic
                                descents to the dominant are commonplace
                                and have a rich history, it is this
                                precise sequence of harmonies that I
                                haven't found in any other composer with
                                nearly the frequency that I've seen it
                                in Mozart.  Does anyone have examples of
                                this from another composer?  Is it more
                                common in Mozart than his
                                contemporaries?<br>
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                                      <div>-- <br>
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                                              <div>Eric Knechtges, DM<br>
                                                Assistant Professor,
                                                Coordinator of
                                                Composition/Theory<br>
                                                Northern Kentucky
                                                University </div>
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                                  <div style="font-size:12px">%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%</div>
                                  <div style="font-size:12px">Prof.
                                    Charles J. Smith</div>
                                  <div style="font-size:12px">Slee Chair
                                    of Music Theory & Director of
                                    Graduate Studies</div>
                                  <div style="font-size:12px">Director,
                                    Slee Institute of Tonal Harmony (420
                                    Baird Hall)</div>
                                  <div style="font-size:12px">Academic
                                    office: 410 Baird Hall</div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </span>
                            <div style="font-size:12px">Office Phone: <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="tel:716-645-0639"
                                value="+17166450639" target="_blank">716-645-0639</a></div>
                            <div style="font-size:12px"><a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:cjsmith@buffalo.edu"
                                target="_blank">cjsmith@buffalo.edu</a></div>
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style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:separate;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Helvetica;word-spacing:0px">
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                                  <div style="font-size:12px">Mailing
                                    address;</div>
                                  <div style="font-size:12px">Music
                                    Department, 220 Baird Hall</div>
                                  <div style="font-size:12px">University
                                    at Buffalo</div>
                                  <div style="font-size:12px">Buffalo,
                                    NY 14260</div>
                                </div>
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                            </span><span style="font-size:12px">Department
                              Fax: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="tel:716-645-3824"
                                value="+17166453824" target="_blank">716-645-3824</a></span><span
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              -- <br>
              Eric Knechtges, DM<br>
              Assistant Professor, Coordinator of Composition/Theory<br>
              Northern Kentucky University
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                <div>
                  <div style="font-size: 12px; ">%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 12px; ">Prof. Charles J. Smith</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 12px; ">Slee Chair of Music
                    Theory & Director of Graduate Studies</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 12px; ">Office: 410 Baird Hall</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 12px; ">Director, Slee
                    Institute for Tonal Harmony (420 Baird)</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 12px; "><br>
                  </div>
                  <div style="font-size: 12px; ">Mail address:</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 12px; ">Music Department, 220
                    Baird Hall, University at Buffalo</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 12px; ">Buffalo, NY 14260</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 12px; "><br>
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                  <div style="font-size: 12px; "><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:cjsmith@buffalo.edu">cjsmith@buffalo.edu</a></div>
                  <div style="font-size: 12px; ">Office Phone:
                    716-645-0639</div>
                  <div style="font-size: 12px; ">Department
                    Fax: 716-645-3824</div>
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