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<font face="Calibri">I think so too, even if perhaps in different terms.<br>
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On the one hand, it is true that Erpf, reviving 18th-century
theories that the 7th of the dominant chord actually is the
subdominant degree (Rameau, d'Alembert, and more specifically
perhaps Jean Adam Serre), appears to reduce the opposition between
dominant and subdominant. It is in that sense that V11, even more
than V7, combines a bottom D and an upper S.<br>
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</font><font face="Calibri">On the other hand I think that Erpf is
more sensible than Riemann ever was to the direction of the
movement. There is something strange in the fact that Riemann
opposes I–IV–I movements, on one hand, to I–V–I movements on the
other hand, while there seems to be an obvious analogy between
I–IV and V–I on the one hand, IV–I and I–V on the other hand. </font><br>
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All this may be considered to weaken the opposition between dominant
and subdominant functions. I don't think it really does. But
certainly it does not "repudiate" any of them.<br>
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Nicolas Meeùs<br>
Université Paris-Sorbonne<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 29/08/2013 16:14, Dave Headlam a
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Frank et al -- There's some nuance to
be added here. Dan's text (p. 309) states that "First, he [
Erpf] remakes harmonic function from a three-termed into a
two-termed dualism--in other words, from a conception of a
central T and two lateral areas, S and D, to one involving an
'on' Tonic state and an 'off' non-Tonic state. Although both
traditional Subdominant and Dominant categories are retained,
they are now the two basic aspects of the non-Tonic state . . .
" Dan goes on to show Erpf's indications for the "off" state
differentiate S from D and major from minor, and that Erpf's
examples show elements of "both Dominants" ("Doppeldominanten")
within chords, such as a "V11" chord combining a bottom D and
upper S: G-B-D-F-A-C. <br>
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Dave Headlam<br>
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