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<font face="Calibri">Ildar,<br>
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I never said that "it is counterproductive to derive contemporary
musical-theoretical concepts from Greek concepts", I will
therefore not "insist"on this. <br>
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What I had written is "</font><font face="Calibri">It is
counterproductive to believe that "diatonic" may have kept the
same sense from Greek Antiquity to our days." I was not speaking
of musical-theoretical concepts in general, but only on this very
specific term, "diatonic", of which I certainly do not deny the
Greek origin. I consider it counterproductive to believe that the
"sense" of the word did not change for now about 2500 years – all
the more so that the Greek meaning is not entirely clear and
remains open for discussion. For sure, our concept of what is
diatonic derives from the Greek concept; but the derivation itself
has been a complex and rich process.<br>
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In a similar "sense", I consider it counterproductive to claim
that the Greek knew Dorian, Phrygian and Lydian tetrachords (and
to believe that claiming their existence can be validated by their
alleged Greek origin), when there exists not a <u>single</u>
ancient Greek text mentioning such tetrachords.<br>
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It is counterproductive to our Greek heritage to believe that it
includes modern fantasies. Our duty is to do our best to
understand it in its own terms – its own terms, both in concepts
and in words. Modern informed readers of Greek theories do not do
so to "challenge" the heritage, on the contrary.<br>
<br>
Nicolas Meeùs<br>
Université Paris-Sorbonne<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 2013-12-07 18:44, Ildar Khannanov a
écrit :<br>
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If, after that, Nicholas would still insist that it is
counterproductive to derive contemporary musical-theoretical
concepts from Greek concepts, it will be quite dubious and
far-fetched. We have been there, have seen that. In the 20th
century many thinkers dared to challenge our 2500 years of
heritage.</span><br>
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