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While opinion seems to be converging on "eye-ya", I'm in a bit of a contrarian mood today, so I'll make a case for "eia" as including the long ? here (or, if you'd like, something that would rhyme with OutKast's 2003 hit "Hey Ya!") </div>
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While standard Hochdeutsch undoubtedly pronounces "ei" as rhyming with "my", I suspect that the word "eia" here may be Latin, not German. Certainly vernacular carols and other songs of medieval origin freely mix in Latin interjections (ave!, gaude!, etc.)</div>
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I think of two familiar examples of Latin "eia" as a Latin interjection: the 12th century Aquitanian carol "Verbum patris umanatur o o" (where it is spelled with the greek Y), and the song "Stetit puella" from the Carmina burana. </div>
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Surely when Marie sings "Eia popeia" it's pronounced like "eye", but as "eia popeia" seems to be nonsense rhyme, I suspect that it's not really the same word as the Latin "eia" that one sees in medieval songs.</div>
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This is all just conjecture, but it's also worth noting that if you were to browse YouTube performances of the hymn "Zu Bethlehem geboren" cited by Dr. Frosch below, almost all performances done by actual Germans pronounce "eia" as rhyming with "Hey Ya!" Its
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:59 PM<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Smt-talk] German christmas hymns.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The only dialect that pronounces "ei" like "hay" is East Prussian. If you're not singing in the Königsberg suburbs, go with "eye-ya"!
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<b>Subject:</b> [Smt-talk] German christmas hymns.</span></p>
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Dear german-speaking colleagues,<br>
The word "eia" occurs in many German christmas hymns, e.g., in "Zu Bethlehem geboren": eia, eia, sein eigen will ich sein. Our choir has mixed opinions on how to pronounce the syllable "ei" in "eia" (like the English word "wide", or like "rain"?) Your help
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With best wishes,<br>
Reinhart Frosch, <br>
Dr. phil. nat., <br>
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<a href="mailto:reinifrosch@bluewin.ch">reinifrosch@bluewin.ch</a> .<br>
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