<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div><div><div><br></div><div>I actually found it highly commendable that Donna redacted the name of the person who (it seems) contacted her off-list challenging her previous post. I think that off-list contact was highly inappropriate given the nature of the discussion, but more on that later (I'll send along a few thougths about process improvement when I have the chance to finish them). But for now, please let this person remain anonymous — it helps lower the temperature of this conversation, which seems to me like a very good thing.</div><div><br></div><div>John</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>___________________________________<br>John Paul Ito<br>Assistant Professor of Music Theory<br>www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/johnito/<br><br>School of Music<br>Carnegie Mellon University<br>5000 Forbes Ave.<br>Pittsburgh, PA 15213<br><br>412.268.1246<br>412.268.1431 (FAX)</div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Gregory Karl <<a href="mailto:gregkarl@frontier.com">gregkarl@frontier.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Thursday, May 1, 2014 1:39 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> smt-talk <<a href="mailto:smt-talk@societymusictheory.org">smt-talk@societymusictheory.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [Smt-talk] Fwd: So All Men Are Guilty And Responsible For The Reality Of History?<br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I had been following the recent discussions on SMT-talk with some interest and, I thought, excellent comprehension until the note quoted below from Donna Doyle. I am wondering about the provenance of its subject line. By its format one must assume it was a response to a post with the subject line "So All Men Are Guilty And Responsible For The Reality Of History?", but I saw no such prior post. (If such a post was published and I somehow missed it, I would appreciate it if someone could forward it to me.) I am also confused about the biographical note from Ms. Doyle that followed and about the person, only identified as "you," to whom it is addressed. </div><div><br></div><div>I have come to expect the correspondents in the discussions I am reading on SMT-talk to be clearly identified. Any help in clarifying these issues will be appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>Gregory Karl</div><div>Jay NY </div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><blockquote type="cite"><br><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">Donna Doyle <<a href="mailto:donnadoyle@att.net">donnadoyle@att.net</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';"><b>Re: So All Men Are Guilty And Responsible For The Reality Of History?</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">May 1, 2014 at 5:45:37 AM EDT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: ___________________________</b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';"><br></span></div><br><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Dear ______________,<div><br></div><div>No, I did not say that "all men are guilty."<br><div><br></div><div>Here are a few facts about me:</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>My father died when I was 12.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>At 20, I left my oppressive, jealous mother, who did almost everything she could to stifle me,</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>wanting little more for me than to be married and pregnant (not necessarily in that order).</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>("I want to enjoy my grandchildren while I'm still young.")</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I worked my way through my BM and MM as a waitress and free-lance musician.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I lived in a small studio apt and rode a bicycle around Manhattan, because I couldn't afford to take </div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>the subway, for 15 years.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I was seriously sexually harassed by a dept chair at my previous college. The dean feared I would sue.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>After learning that women who win discrimination lawsuits are blacklisted as troublemakers, I left quietly.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I have not yet finished my PhD (after 15 yrs) because I've had to work as an adjunct/free-lancer ever since.</div><div><br></div><div>When I write my autobiography (as others have urged) perhaps you'll understand my position. I happen to like men </div><div>alot and actually, for whatever reasons, prefer male company to female. Just the way it is (my mother, perhaps : ) ). </div><div>Men who know me know this. It's unfortunate that you've laid so many assumptions on me. I, like Magic Johnson, </div><div>have a right to express outrage.</div><div><br></div><div>It's unfortunate that you had it rough, too. Life is not fair. All we can do is forge forward from wherever</div><div>we are. Never give up on yourself.</div><div><br></div><div>Donna Doyle</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-family: 'Book Antiqua'; "><br>Adjunct Assistant Professor</div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-family: 'Book Antiqua'; ">Aaron Copland School of Music<br>Queens College<br>65-30 Kissena Blvd.<br>Flushing, NY 11367<br> <br>tele: 718-997-3819<br>fax: 718-997-3849<br>email: <a href="mailto:donna.doyle@qc.cuny.edu">donna.doyle@qc.cuny.edu</a><br>email: <a href="mailto:donnadoyle@att.net">donnadoyle@att.net</a></div><div style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'; "><br></div></div></div><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Smt-talk mailing list</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:Smt-talk@lists.societymusictheory.org">Smt-talk@lists.societymusictheory.org</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://lists.societymusictheory.org/listinfo.cgi/smt-talk-societymusictheory.org">http://lists.societymusictheory.org/listinfo.cgi/smt-talk-societymusictheory.org</a></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________
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