[Smt-talk] I - II- IV as a progression

Ildar Khannanov solfeggio7 at yahoo.com
Fri Sep 4 06:27:01 PDT 2009


Dear Colleagues,
 
it is so nice to discover some 30 messages in one's mailbox after a sweet trip to Russia and UK! 
 
 
I wonder, when the spell of Church of  Heinrich will fall and we will return to modest study of HARMONY and will stop substituting it with voice-leaing, counterpoint, and other tricky alterntives to real  music history... Everybody of any importance in music has been studying HARMONY, and not voice leading (which is nothing but a hole from the bagel) . This tradition, time and enegry consuming, serious, and life-long, has been replaced after the two World Wars by some kind of educated quessing. Please, return harmony into our discussions!
 
 
Best,
 
Ildar Khannanov
Peabody Conservatory
solfeggio7 at yahoo.com

--- On Thu, 9/3/09, Nicolas Meeùs <nicolas.meeus at paris-sorbonne.fr> wrote:


From: Nicolas Meeùs <nicolas.meeus at paris-sorbonne.fr>
Subject: Re: [Smt-talk] I - II- IV as a progression
To: gzar at mail2.gis.net
Cc: smt-talk at societymusictheory.org
Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 4:04 AM


A few additional considerations:

1. In the diatonic system, if two roots are distant by a 3rd, the higher chord must be major and the lower minor if the 3d itself is minor (e.g. IV-ii of ii-IV), the reverse if the 3d is major (e.g. vi-IV or IV-vi). These are the well-known R and L neo-Riemannian.
1a. Diatonic relations can be described in a series of the type ...E-c#-A-f-D-b-G-e-C-a-F-d-Bb-g... which goes flatwards from left to right, sharpwards from right to left; flatwards is the 'normal' direction in tonal music.

2. Schoenberg, who described the falling-3rd and falling-5th progressions as "strong", also dubbed them "ascending" because in both cases the root of the first chord 'climbs' the harmonic series of the second (from harmonic 4 to harmonic 5 in the case of the 3rd, from 2 to 3 in that of the 5th). This corresponds to Gerald Zaritzky's description, but seems to me rather metaphoric.

3. More important is that the falling-3rd and falling-5th progressions authorize a normal preparation and resolution of dissonances (especially of 7th chords). In the case of the falling 3rd, the 5th of the first chord prepares the 7th of the second, while the 7th of the first resolves on the prime of the second. In the case of the falling 5th, the preparation and resolution occur a 3rd lower.
3a. It is true that II-IV allows a 7th on II, as Richard Porterfield describes, but the 7th in that case does not resolve 'normally'.

Interesting points about the II-IV progression are that:
1. It obviously is not diatonic.
2. It goes flatwards, but following an abnormal path (the neo-Riemannian relation is RLRLRL flatwards).
3. It does not allow a 'normal' preparation and/or resolution of dissonances. This is characteristic of what often is dubbed 'modal' harmony.
4. It necessarily includes a false relation of tritone between the 3 of II and the 5 of IV, in addition to the chromatic relation between 3 of II and 1 of IV.

Let me add, again in comment to Richard Porterfield's message, that roman numerals, if read properly, also can form a shorthand for the voice leading.

Nicolas Meeùs
Université de Paris Sorbonne
École doctorale "Concepts et Langages"
Centre de recherche "Patrimoines et Langages Musicaux"
http://www.plm.paris-sorbonne.fr
nicolas.meeus at paris-sorbonne.fr



gzar at mail2.gis.net a écrit :
> 1. I've always been impressed by the long-standing observation that a rooted falling-3rd diatonic progression is "stronger" than a rising-3rd one because each new root (especially when in the bass) is "fresh" to the preceding chord tones. (It's the same for falling vs rising 5ths, of course.) Also, the root of the first chord is "promoted" to a more-active member, in the next chord.
> [...]


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