[Smt-talk] Examples of Modes
Nicolas Meeùs
nicolas.meeus at scarlet.be
Tue Sep 3 14:04:54 PDT 2013
Fiona,
I cannot really discuss your hypothesis of the leap from the final,
which you probably submitted to many tests. I have no such arguments and
only can envisage it in the abstract. The abstract questions that remain
open in my mind include these:
– Would not the antiphone/psalm joining be from the modal final to the
psalm intonatio? (This raises the question whether the intonation was
sung at each verse, a point about which you may know better.) Supposing
that the succession really is between the final and the first note of
the psalm-tone intonation, the situation varies from mode to mode: 1,
D–F; 2, D–C; 3, E–G; 4, E–a; 5, F–D; 6, F–F; 7, G–c; 8, G–G. In other
words, there would be no upwards leap in modes/tones 2, 5, 6 an 8; I
admit that these are not among the most frequent...
– If there are more that one upwards leaps in a melody, not all from the
final, how does one know which one is from the final? I mean this
especially if the leap where to be understood as a conventional signal,
as I trust there are of all kinds in all sorts of ensemble oral music.
– If the leap often is from the final to the tenor/reciting tone, could
it not more generally be said that it is the relation between these
notes, not necessarily established by a direct leap but rather by
statistic qualities of the notes, that define the tonal centricity?
Final and tenor often merely are the most present notes, from a
statistical point of view... I cannot refrain thinking that this
final/tenor relation eventually led to the mid-11th century (St Emmeran)
theory of the fourth and fifth species, and later to the "neo-classical"
conception of the modes which, I believe, strongly determines tonal
centricity in modal polyphony.
Certainly, I have to read your book, and I'll do so as soon as possible.
And your mention of secular music in this respect is tantalizing.
You probably graduated in Paris-Sorbonne just before I arrived there.
Did you work with Nicole Sevestre? (But that probably better belongs to
private discussions.)
Yours,
Nicolas
Nicolas Meeùs,
Université Paris-Sorbonne (Emeritus)
Le 3/09/2013 12:00, Fiona McAlpine a écrit :
> Dear Nicolas,
> Your second question first: tonal centricity. I too would say that,
> when all notes in all scales/ modes are the same, there has to be a
> way in which the performer knows which should be the final, & that
> this is nowhere more acute than in the antiphon/psalm interchange. As
> you say, a lot of antiphons are very short: where you might still get
> that leap is from final of antiphon to tenor of psalm. This is where
> the joining mattered.
> Your first question now: whether that leap is a natural or
> conventional way of signalling the tonal centre? I think I'd say it's
> both: it's there in the music, & can't be gainsaid; but how did it get
> there? we don't know.
> I can also say that it is there in the secular trouvère music manuscripts.
> subsidiary questions: the leap from the final is often to the
> tenor/reciting tone; but not always. see the dark phrygian modes
> & cordes m~eres: again, for a fuller discussion you'd have to read my
> book.
> /Salut/ from a graduate of Paris-IV,
> /f/
> (Dr) Fiona McAlpine
> Honorary Research Fellow
> School of Music
> University of Auckland
>
> /Le Béguinage/
> 42 Horns Rd
> RD 1
> Oxford 7495
> North Canterbury
> NEW ZEALAND
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Nicolas Meeùs [nicolas.meeus at scarlet.be]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 29 August 2013 09:06
> *To:* Fiona McAlpine
> *Cc:* smt-talk at lists.societymusictheory.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Smt-talk] Examples of Modes
>
> Fiona,
>
> Unfortnuately, I cannot have access to your book just now; but I read
> your paper "Arripui hymnarium" in /De musica disserenda/, which gave
> me an idea of your hypothesis. I am very interested with tonal
> centricity, which to me is essential to the very notion of 'modality'.
> I believe, for instance, that late medieval and Renaissance polyphony
> is modal because it evidences tonal centricity.
> I have two questions, however; I am aware that I may find an
> answer at least to the first one in your book, which I intend to read
> as soon as possible: in that case, don't bother to answer it.
>
> The first question is: do you think that the leap upward from the
> final is somehow a 'natural', unconscious feature of modes, or do you
> view it as a conventional way of signaling the tonal center? On the
> one hand I fail to see how such feature could result, say, from the
> structure of the diatonic system; it is true that most melodies of the
> world tend to leap upwards and to descend stepwise, as I think Curt
> Sachs already noted, but I don't see why the leap should be from the
> final (especially that it would have to be from an intermediate
> final). On the other hand I know that music does make use of conscious
> signaling, particularly in ensemble singing, but I don't immediately
> see the reason for this in the case of church modes.
>
> The second question that I have concerns the special case of psalm
> antiphons: many of these are too short to include any internal
> cadence, or upwards leaps of any kind (unless at the very beginning,
> but then not always upwards from the final). On the other hand, it is
> in that case that the tonal centre may be of "vital importance", as
> you write. I can see your point when dealing with hymns, but there the
> question of joining bits of music does not arise, I think.
>
> There are many subsidiary questions that immediately arise:
> – I thought that the notion of "final" did not appear in medieval
> theory before Hucbald, i.e. at a time when the modes were close to
> being "turned into scales". Is your hypothesis to be linked with the
> interval between final and tenor (reciting tone)?
> – The joining of antiphons with psalm verses concerns not only the end
> of the antiphon and the beginning of the psalm tone (which very much
> involves the final as tonal centre), but also the end of the tone with
> the beginning of the antiphon, which depends on the particular
> differentia used.
> – Did you consider what Jacques de Liège (and others, probably) had to
> say of melodies which did not end on their proper final because of a
> mistake of the singers, who ended on one of the affinals? Would these
> cases concern melodies lacking the upwards leap that you describe?
> – Etc., but these will suffice for the time being.
>
> I presume that the upwards leaps that you describe could often be from
> the final to the reciting note, what may suffice as
> justification/explanation, and which may link to the later theory of
> fifth and fourth species. But does not this raise a question of
> chronology (considering the theory of "cordes mères", of tenor and
> final at first not being distinct)? I'd very much like to hear your
> opinion about all this.
>
> Nicolas Meeùs
> Université Paris-Sorbonne
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 26/08/2013 10:49, Fiona McAlpine a écrit :
>> Coming back to Nicolas' earlier point about the 'church' modes being
>> not just scales but collections of melodic formulae: in the absence
>> of any harmonic underpinning, these melodic formulae also had to
>> define the tonal centre in a world where the tonal centre was of
>> vital importance because most of your musical activity consisted of
>> joining discrete bits of music to each other (I'm talking abut monks
>> joining antiphons to psalm tones, which Nicolas touched on). Those
>> modes were there, and organised thus in relation to tonal centre,
>> from perhaps mid-ninth century (Aurelian), long before they got
>> turned into scales (let's say before the point of reference for most
>> of the readers of these pages, Guido in the early eleventh century).
>> There is a technique by which medieval musicians achieved this
>> tonal-centredness, given that all medieval modes used the same
>> diatonic collection: leaps upwards from the final in an essentially
>> stepwise melodic world. Forgive the self-puffery, but for further
>> collaboration see my book /Tonal Consciousness & the Medieval West/.
>>
>> (Dr) Fiona McAlpine
>> Honorary Research Fellow
>> School of Music
>> University of Auckland
>>
>> /Le Béguinage/
>> 42 Horns Rd
>> RD 1
>> Oxford 7495
>> North Canterbury
>> NEW ZEALAND
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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