[Smt-talk] Inquiry

Paul Cadrin paulcadrin at hotmail.com
Tue Apr 23 14:15:40 PDT 2013

Dear Colleagues, I don't know who can claim priority for the use of the terms Narrative and Lyrical, but I know that Carol Berger uses "Narrative Form" and "Lyrical Form" in his analyses of the Ballades of Chopin. See:"Chopin's Ballade Op. 23 and the Revolution of the Intellectuals", in Chopin Studies 2, edited by John Rinck and Jim Samson. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1994, pp. 72-84."The Form of Chopin's Ballade Op. 23" in  19th-Century Music, vol. 20, no. 1 (Summer 1996), pp. 46-71.Hope that this is useful.

Paul Cadrin
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438-381-5048Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:48:29 -0400
From: mklein01 at temple.edu
To: adriponce at yahoo.com
CC: smt-talk at lists.societymusictheory.org
Subject: Re: [Smt-talk] Inquiry

Dear Colleagues,

In response to Adriana's question about lyric and narrative time:

Raymond Monelle introduced these particular terms in his book The Sense of Music.  However, I would say that similar ideas about types of musical time go back much further.  Jonathan Kramer's The Time of Music is a good place to look, although (as Monelle argues), Kramer often confuses the time of the signifier with the time of the signified.  Monelle's book will certainly have a number of sources concerning musical temporality (time as meant). 

Then there's some hack (Michael Klein) who wrote about lyric and narrative time in Chopin, but you can't trust that guy.

All Best,


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Adriana Ponce <adriponce at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear collective wisdom,

Would anybody be so kind as to point me in the direction of the origins of the term lyrical and narrative time in music?

Thanks very much in advance,
Adriana Ponce

Adriana Ponce
Assistant ProfessorIllinois Wesleyan University
E-mail: adriponce at yahoo.com


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