[Smt-talk] Geno- and phenotype musical structures

Dunsby, Jonathan jdunsby at esm.rochester.edu
Sun Jan 13 08:49:06 PST 2013

Steven Jan's fairly recent theory of musical memes is also worth exploring.
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Subject: Re: [Smt-talk] Geno- and phenotype musical structures

Prof Lacasse, 

Prof Dora Hanninen has made excellent use of the concepts of genotype and phenotype in her work for some years now, and has just published A Theory of Musical Analysis with the University of Rochester Press. Among many virtues of this work is that it engages the biological concepts without the encumbrance of the metaphor of grammar.

Joseph Dubiel
Columbia University

On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Serge Lacasse wrote:

	Hi all,
	I would like to have your opinion (that has most probably already been proposed) on a possible analogy. Reading Sebastian Sumjan's linguistic grammar theory (itself derived from Bateson's genetic model, see below), I was wondering if one could draw an analogy between his geno-/phenotype grammars and Set Theory. Could we, for example, consider sets as genotypes that may then give rise to different forms of realizations (phenotypes)? Conversely (and this commutative property of Sumjan's model is crucial), one can of course deduce genotypes from existing phenotypes. Just an idea, but again, not being a music theorist, I suspect many have already explored this avenue: you would be very kind to guide me towards relevant sources.
	Here is a quote from Sebastian Shaumyan [Sumjan], A Semiotic Theory of Language, Bloomington, Indiana University Press, 1987.
	"[97] We can think of the syntactic structure of a sentence as something independent of the way it is represented in terms of syntagmatic units. In this way we come up with two levels of grammar, which I call genotype grammar and phenotype grammar. Genotype grammar comprises functional units-predicates, terms, modifiers-and abstract operator-operand relations between these units. Phenotype grammar comprises syntagmatic units-morphemes and words-and connections between them in terms of linear order and their morphological properties. [...]
	The rules of genotype grammar are invariant with respect to various possibilities of their realization by phenotype grammar. The terms genotype and phenotype are borrowed from biology, where genotype means a definite set of genes that is invariant with respect to its different manifestations called phenotype." 
	Thanks for your help,
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