[Smt-talk] Fwd: So All Men Are Guilty And Responsible For The Reality Of History?

[John Paul Ito]

I actually found it highly commendable that Donna redacted the name of the
person who (it seems) contacted her off-list challenging her previous post.
I think that off-list contact was highly inappropriate given the nature of
the discussion, but more on that later (I'll send along a few thougths about
process improvement when I have the chance to finish them).  But for now,
please let this person remain anonymous ‹ it helps lower the temperature of
this conversation, which seems to me like a very good thing.

John

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From:  Gregory Karl <gregkarl at frontier.com>
Date:  Thursday, May 1, 2014 1:39 PM
To:  smt-talk <smt-talk at societymusictheory.org>
Subject:  Re: [Smt-talk] Fwd: So All Men Are Guilty And Responsible For The
Reality Of History?

I had been following the recent discussions on SMT-talk with some interest
and, I thought, excellent comprehension until the note quoted below from
Donna Doyle. I am wondering about the provenance of its subject line. By its
format one must assume it was a response to a post with the subject line "So
All Men Are Guilty And Responsible For The Reality Of History?", but I saw
no such prior post. (If such a post was published and I somehow missed it, I
would appreciate it if someone could forward it to me.) I am also confused
about the biographical note from Ms. Doyle that followed and about the
person, only identified as "you," to whom it is addressed.

I have come to expect the correspondents in the discussions I am reading on
SMT-talk to be clearly identified. Any help in clarifying these issues will
be appreciated.

Gregory Karl
Jay NY 

 

 
> 
> 
>> From: Donna Doyle <donnadoyle at att.net>
>> Subject: Re: So All Men Are Guilty And Responsible For The Reality Of
>> History?
>> Date: May 1, 2014 at 5:45:37 AM EDT
>> To: ___________________________
>> 
>> Dear ______________,
>> 
>> No, I did not say that "all men are guilty."
>> 
>> Here are a few facts about me:
>> My father died when I was 12.
>> At 20, I left my oppressive, jealous mother, who did almost everything she
>> could to stifle me,
>> wanting little more for me than to be married and pregnant (not necessarily
>> in that order).
>> ("I want to enjoy my grandchildren while I'm still young.")
>> I worked my way through my BM and MM as a waitress and free-lance musician.
>> I lived in a small studio apt and rode a bicycle around Manhattan, because I
>> couldn't afford to take
>> the subway, for 15 years.
>> I was seriously sexually harassed by a dept chair at my previous college. The
>> dean feared I would sue.
>> After learning that women who win discrimination lawsuits are blacklisted as
>> troublemakers, I left quietly.
>> I have not yet finished my PhD (after 15 yrs) because I've had to work as an
>> adjunct/free-lancer ever since.
>> 
>> When I write my autobiography (as others have urged) perhaps you'll
>> understand my position. I happen to like men
>> alot and actually, for whatever reasons, prefer male company to female. Just
>> the way it is (my mother, perhaps : ) ).
>> Men who know me know this. It's unfortunate that you've laid so many
>> assumptions on me. I, like Magic Johnson,
>> have a right to express outrage.
>> 
>> It's unfortunate that you had it rough, too. Life is not fair. All we can do
>> is forge forward from wherever
>> we are. Never give up on yourself.
>> 
>> Donna Doyle
>> 
> 
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