[Smt-talk] Fwd: So All Men Are Guilty And Responsible For The Reality Of History?

[Gregory Karl]

Thank you Mister Ito. That sounds like a good answer to my question  
about provenance. I wonder if the respondent meant the post to go to  
the list but made the not uncommon mistake of pushing reply without  
checking the address — as I almost did before sending this note?

In any case, I would think the moderators might have given more  
careful thought to publishing unattributed material without some sort  
of explanation.




On May 1, 2014, at 3:29 PM, John Paul Ito wrote:

>
> I actually found it highly commendable that Donna redacted the name  
> of the person who (it seems) contacted her off-list challenging her  
> previous post.  I think that off-list contact was highly  
> inappropriate given the nature of the discussion, but more on that  
> later (I'll send along a few thougths about process improvement  
> when I have the chance to finish them).  But for now, please let  
> this person remain anonymous — it helps lower the temperature of  
> this conversation, which seems to me like a very good thing.
>
> John
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> From: Gregory Karl <gregkarl at frontier.com>
> Date: Thursday, May 1, 2014 1:39 PM
> To: smt-talk <smt-talk at societymusictheory.org>
> Subject: Re: [Smt-talk] Fwd: So All Men Are Guilty And Responsible  
> For The Reality Of History?
>
> I had been following the recent discussions on SMT-talk with some  
> interest and, I thought, excellent comprehension until the note  
> quoted below from Donna Doyle. I am wondering about the provenance  
> of its subject line. By its format one must assume it was a  
> response to a post with the subject line "So All Men Are Guilty And  
> Responsible For The Reality Of History?", but I saw no such prior  
> post. (If such a post was published and I somehow missed it, I  
> would appreciate it if someone could forward it to me.) I am also  
> confused about the biographical note from Ms. Doyle that followed  
> and about the person, only identified as "you," to whom it is  
> addressed.
>
> I have come to expect the correspondents in the discussions I am  
> reading on SMT-talk to be clearly identified. Any help in  
> clarifying these issues will be appreciated.
>
> Gregory Karl
> Jay NY
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>> From: Donna Doyle <donnadoyle at att.net>
>>> Subject: Re: So All Men Are Guilty And Responsible For The  
>>> Reality Of History?
>>> Date: May 1, 2014 at 5:45:37 AM EDT
>>> To: ___________________________
>>>
>>> Dear ______________,
>>>
>>> No, I did not say that "all men are guilty."
>>>
>>> Here are a few facts about me:
>>> 	My father died when I was 12.
>>> 	At 20, I left my oppressive, jealous mother, who did almost  
>>> everything she could to stifle me,
>>> 		wanting little more for me than to be married and pregnant (not  
>>> necessarily in that order).
>>> 		("I want to enjoy my grandchildren while I'm still young.")
>>> 	I worked my way through my BM and MM as a waitress and free- 
>>> lance musician.
>>> 	I lived in a small studio apt and rode a bicycle around  
>>> Manhattan, because I couldn't afford to take
>>> 		the subway, for 15 years.
>>> 	I was seriously sexually harassed by a dept chair at my previous  
>>> college. The dean feared I would sue.
>>> 		After learning that women who win discrimination lawsuits are  
>>> blacklisted as troublemakers, I left quietly.
>>> 	I have not yet finished my PhD (after 15 yrs) because I've had  
>>> to work as an adjunct/free-lancer ever since.
>>>
>>> When I write my autobiography (as others have urged) perhaps  
>>> you'll understand my position. I happen to like men
>>> alot and actually, for whatever reasons, prefer male company to  
>>> female. Just the way it is (my mother, perhaps : ) ).
>>> Men who know me know this. It's unfortunate that you've laid so  
>>> many assumptions on me. I, like Magic Johnson,
>>> have a right to express outrage.
>>>
>>> It's unfortunate that you had it rough, too. Life is not fair.  
>>> All we can do is forge forward from wherever
>>> we are. Never give up on yourself.
>>>
>>> Donna Doyle
>>>
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